25 no. 4 Ballades 3, 1, 2, 4 4 Scherzos 2, 4, 3, 1 You know this is just subjective - don't argue! There has been many debates around this, but, most pianists would agree on this list probably (assuming that you are learning it at indicated tempo) Here are the hardest ones to perfect: 1. Both the Baron and his wife took piano lessons from Chopin. Reply #18 on: December 18, 2011, 01:27:57 PM, Reply #19 on: November 06, 2014, 10:06:08 PM. Piano accessories and music gift items, digital piano dolly, music theme party goods, and more! (Built about 45 minutes from me!) Reply #8 on: April 01, 2005, 05:12:42 AM. I haven't really "studied" any since 10/4, although I've toyed with 25/5 [which will be the next one I study] and a few others. Not all people possess both the technique and the musical awareness, therefore it is reasonable to make a distinction here. - Quora Answer (1 of 8): As another person who answered a similar question to this has said, this is a very subjective question but here are some rankings from Piano Street's forum. Polonaise-Fantaisie. Andantino in D minor, KK Anh. Recently, though, I found them on YouTube (performed by Krystian Zimerman), and I was amazed that I had never heard such beautiful pieces. Thats why I'm learning it, Reply #17 on: April 03, 2005, 09:45:42 AM. 24 Chopin Etudes Difficulty Ranking (Easiest to hardest) 27 related questions found. op. Although not the biggest, this piece certainly carries its name. Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 08:08:49 AM, If you choose to study the 1st Ballade, check out the Piano Sage Blog's article -, Reply #9 on: December 14, 2011, 09:01:58 AM. Exact same here! Ballade in G minor, Op. op. Your list scares me! Thanks! WHOA! Yes, the Third Ballade is considered to be the least difficult. I always think of this one as going down a hallway and opening doors to each room. The final "Introduction and Allegro, Op. I left it . Steinwayguy, thanks for your comments. 25 (all but 25/4 - will do in Jan), I think it is possible to group them in broad categories of relative difficulty. That feeling doesn't sit well if I'm playing it for people haha. They have the time to learn them, but not play through them? We obviously are not talking at the same level. Johann Sebastian Bach: 1685-1750: 631: Ludwig van Beethoven: 1770-1827 Beethoven - Sonata in C sharp minor, Op 27 No 12, Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 01:13:05 PM, Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 06:19:47 PM. Copyright Op 111 Productions, 2001-2022. I quit the piano! It seems that Ballade 4 is a lot of peoples favorite one. I really love the slower moments, and the Coda is really cool. 2m/pedal 24 rank Cavaille-Coll style pipe organ Re: Chopin ballades difficulties? We had this discussion recently and it seems that the types of technique you have affect severly what you think. Frdric Chopin's four ballades are single-movement pieces for solo piano, composed between 1831 and 1842. He dedicated it to one of his friends at the time, Baron Nathaniel Stockhausen, ambassador of the Kingdom of Hanover. I have found it to be reliable, beyond the Etudes. There is a lifetime's worth of work in these etudes. 38 . The ENTIRE piece is extremely pianistic, even the coda. - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts. 53 , grand polonaise (with intro, piano version). Ballades 1 and 3 are great pieces of music, but I don't have a deep desire to play them the way I do for 2 and 4. 24 posts Page 1 of 2 1, 2. Nocturnes (Easiest to most Difficult) 4+ Nocturne c minor KK IVb no.. Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 10:48:22 AM. Ia/3 (0' 30") Difficulty 1.5 (9) Mazurkas Mazurka in D major, KK Anh. It was worth the effort! [Nor do they have the time to play through them. Included in that set were several pieces by . G major (1') 2. I actually performed them all - for a very long time it was my life-time goal. The Coda is nasty. The hardest part here is bringing out the inner voices when they appear, and some of the arpeggios require a tricky inner-finger stretch. 10.2: chromatics with legato on 3-4-5 whilst using 1-2 for harmony on the. The Four Ballades, composed between 1831 and 1842, are perhaps the most perfect examples of Chopin's instinctive sense of musical shape and tonal organisation. 23; Ballade no. I still like one more than the others. What follows is a continuous dramatic stream, shifting and . To me, 3 months seems like a relatively short time to spend on a piece of this level and musical depth. I try to always be working on one or two of them in addition to other pieces. Again, all 4 pieces are masterpieces from a master artist, and they are all worth a listen and another. I had no clue that it was his 3rd Ballade until years later. 10 and Op. - Parties, Tours, Projects & More Information - - Concerts, News,FAQs, Archives, Will getting a Steinway make me a pariah here? Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 01:34:20 AM, Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 01:35:46 AM, Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 04:09:25 AM, no.1,2 or 3. Ballade no.4 in the middle? I get chills just thinking about it. 23. 9 (Butterfly). New Feature: Live Streamed Piano Recitals. 25 no. I am ranking these based on Rubinsteins recordings (which I think are the best), so here they are favorite to least favorite: 1: Not only my favorite Ballade or Chopin piece, but one of my favorite pieces of music in classical repertoire. These are all really high up on my 'favorites' list haha. I just love the swirling F minor theme that just brews and brews throughout, it's so creepy. I was wondering what would be the best Chopin ballade to start with. It has vastly more musical content and substance than La campanella. A list from 1 to 8 would also be great (if you have the time). Reply #16 on: December 18, 2011, 04:57:53 AM, Reply #17 on: December 18, 2011, 09:41:46 AM. Be . Pieces by composer, ordered by difficulty. They are considered to be some of the most . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I would say that if you can play any one of them well, you are technically capable of playing all of them. A major (0' 30") Prlude in F major and Andantino in D minor, KK Anh. Fryderyk Chopin. There is no way 10/6 is the easiest. 23 was published in 1836. A pianist well versed in arpeggios would have an easier time with 25/12. Fri 11 Aug 2000 12.21 EDT. After listening to the ballades several times, I've ranked them. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. #1 - Some difficult passagework, some rhythmic problems, and the code is hard. Ballade 3 Ballade 1 Ballade 4 Ballade 2 How do you rank them? Echoing Piano Doug, in the future, I will only work on one or two at a time as supplements to my regular rep. Well, I learned 25/2 first, then 25/1, then 10/4. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I will say - the beautiful Eb major theme in the piece that little interchange from the b6 harmony back to the tonic. Definitely don't start with the first or fourth ballades. Fun Stuff! Any advice for learning Ballade 4? 622 Agree mostly with this, however op 25/12 is incredibly difficult to play with full accuracy, it's very easy to play wrong notes at that tempo, it requires a reasonable amount of stamina also,. The 4th would require more dedication and time to perfect, but you would be rewarded by being able to play one of the most sublime pieces ever written. And I'm only 1/24th of the way into my disagreements with that list. I tackled four this semester, and it was a struggle. Talking about "musicality" is total, subjective BS; if you're just asking about technical difficulty, they're (easiest to hardest) 3-1-2-4. 3 - I heard the C# minor section when I was really young, and it really struck me. "It's a piece I went back to many times. This piece has 2 totally contrasting themes, one so calm and intimate, and the second one comes in and rips through the first one. No.1 is the one that everyone wants to learn, there's no denying that you will learn alot from it. Answer (1 of 2): If you mean by "playing it", that you've tried the first couple measures, then no, no one would expect it to be difficult. You probably can learn no.3 in a month or 2 if you have already learned no.1 ( for the notes at least). Critique me as harshly as you can I'm performing in What do you think? 2 in F major, op. I suggested instead an "easier" Liszt transcription and she agreed. might be more clear if you say from favorite to least favorite. I am currently working on the g minor ballad and LOVING IT! All rights reserved. "I always loved the Ballade," he says as he pours the tea. (OK I know I posted a whiny message yesterday, but really I am having a blast working onthis one). Ia/2-3 2. Reply #13 on: April 03, 2005, 02:42:03 AM, Reply #14 on: April 03, 2005, 03:44:27 AM, Reply #15 on: April 03, 2005, 05:06:48 AM, Reply #16 on: April 03, 2005, 05:48:00 AM, I think the third is definately the easiest. Reply #19 on: April 03, 2005, 03:27:35 PM, Reply #20 on: April 03, 2005, 04:14:58 PM, i dont know why but i think everyone always underrated 3rd ballade, Reply #21 on: April 03, 2005, 09:02:40 PM, Reply #22 on: April 04, 2005, 01:08:07 AM. And if you think I've misplaced any of them, or if you think I'm not appreciating one of them enough, I'd like to hear why. A pianist who has played a lot of Joplin would probably find 25/9 (and maybe 25/4) on the easier side. Is there anything that you like about it in particular that I should listen for? Others who are far more knowledgeable have on this thread rendered a general difficulty opinion, and the consistency of that consensus would incline me to believe the answer to both of your questions is "yes." . 1 can be considered "easy" in the sense that you encounter new material only a couple of times; that is, many parts are repeated so the amount of material you need to learn is rather insignificant. I guess it could, but if you are mature enough to play one, then you should be ok to do any of those works. Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 02:33:55 AM. Yes, it requires technique to execute "lightness in touch" and "voicing and phrasing" etc but it requires musical maturity to know when to apply these techniques. 2 or 4, and those are the ones that you really want to learn, then learn them. 1 (Aeolian Harp). I feel like Liszt can make passagework like this fit way better under your hands (for exampls - the F major section of Un Sospiro. This is one of Chopin's most beautiful pieces; sing out the two melody lines. The four-movement structure of each concerto is novel, and Shelley handles the Tasmanian Symphony Orchestra well from the keyboard, an impressive feat given the difficulty of the piano parts. (Hunter Thompson), Perfection itself is imperfection - Vladimir Horowitz, I have always been under the impression that the 3rd Ballade was the easiest. 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